Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. Hislobbyist will continue to fight and protect dealers and gun owners? And then maybe. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. This is a digital day/night scope. If you dont like their price dont buy. If you do a little digging, you will find they were importing 1911s from Brazil in the early days too. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . James Jeffrey, the author's friend, S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. Rock River Arms guarantees this pistol will shoot 2.5-inch groups at 50 yards with 185-grain Federal Gold Medal Match semi-wadcutter ammo. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! They also make an Original Henry Rifle. Huh? My time stinks apparently. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. Rock River Arms had one seat. The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. Its transfers. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. Or cameras? But Illinois only has about 2.1m gun owners of 12m population thats fewer by a significant margin than the number of hard-core urban Dems in Chicago alone. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. Dont own a Springfield anything and now never will. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. The company is based in Genesco Illinois, near Chicago. We feel that IFMAs This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. AR-15 Parts. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. Great gun. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Its their prerogative. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. Major mistake, Springfield. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. Bummer, I was considering a Springfield 1911 at some point. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. If discounted to $0, maybe. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. Good for them, too. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. Didnt you read this article? Its called doing business. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. Please, spend your money where you want. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? Apples and suspension bridges here. This is income tax refund time. Yes, very disappointed. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. I have family that works in the town. Its not just selling, genius. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. Magpul moved to WY. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Up yours Springfield! Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Overall, this is a good, solid rifle. Bullshit. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. They fixed the old rifle, returned it to me and offered me the M1A for all the troubles I had experienced. I live in Illinois. F them. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. And now a sell out. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. We beat back a similar bill last year. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 At least the company would survive, even if the move was costly. Yuge. Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Make it a campaign issue NOW. Its a freakin disaster. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. I agree. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. He kept his marginal Mini-14 from hitting the list, selling out the gun owner in the process! Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. Weve got three very active groups on the ground in Illinois promoting GOTV campaigns and spreading the word. In your opinion. I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. That should be true. No they dont. And theyre telling their friends. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. Illinois acts like an evil, independant country when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, ignoring law and constantly jockeying for ways to squelch our right of self-protection through our right to bear arms. And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Rock solid performer. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. I think they and Illinois deserve each other and I hope they both end up on the wrong end of history. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. Those bastards. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. Hugely disappointing. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. You are both dead to me now. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Lobbying groups run on a lot of assumptions and they dont take a vote from membership every time a change is made to a bill that they think concerns their members. I used to have a TRP. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. Now they will pay the price. No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. What gets me is there has been plenty of time and opportunity for damage control or to save face but they havent done anything to fix what theyve done. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? Pretty small and isolated country town. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you For a while there, post SAFE-ACT passage, it looked like 10-round (I know, right) mags were going to be outlawed. No more. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. This isnt really about the law itself. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. They have no ethics. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. Not a nice odor. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. So, S and W are also dead to me. RRA IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN MAKE A RELIABLE AR-10. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. Such a thing exists. Henry and Ruger for the win. The bills author was (mostly) Rugers attorneys. Thats rolling over and showing your belly while wagging your tail. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. This story is libel. Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. Henry? Layoffs to follow. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. The Springfields looked to be a good value. In fairness, Sprin gfield Arm ory isnt the only one to co-opt a name that it had no connection to (cough-Henry-cough). Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. I checked my order history. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. Oh, hell no, he told me. Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. Instead, we were undercut by aself-serving supposed ally. 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