BZZZTT!! As a nation, we still have only a dim understanding of the slave system that funded Sloanes collecting. His dad met his mom at the city's university in the 1960s. If you think 14 is the wrong decision for the boundary, a better argument is a rebuttal of the strongest case for 14 rather than a rebuttal of a straw-man version of it. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. How does it benefit anyone to make an issue about particular events? They all get it from White people inciting violence. Between that night at the opera and 1807, nearly 800,000 Africans were enslaved. Guess wed have to print it. "I first read it as a student and it struck me as something that was very different to other things I was reading about the Atlantic slave trade. They may not be happy about Dresden or Hiroshima but their lives are much better. Like I said, as a mental exercise, if I do my best good faith effort to imagine an argument for reparations, I reckon it would concern harms committed by the state (which unlike the slave traders and owners, is still about today) and an argument that it breached some alleged fundamental/universal doctrine of law so that even the states efforts to put the slave industry on a legal footing were null and void. My argument is that Africans were probably happily killing each other for women before the West turned up. Such sources give his writing freshness, originality and compassion. Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. But any planter who deliberately starved his slaves to death would quickly go bust. I agree BIS. One issue about Westerners buying slaves via a chain of commerce that often ultimately involved Africans selling other Africans at traditional slave-trading locations (there was some slave-raiding by Europeans directly, but rarer) is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on. It wasnt always so & it may not be in the future. Needless to say, the national mood changed. I was doing some genealogy research when I discovered my great grandfather was a well known member of the 18th Kentucky Infantry. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. Then the adult men became profitable too. MBE: The problem with the UK paying reparations is that people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes. His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. No. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. As for the future, the University of Manchester professor says younger generations give him hope. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. The historian and producer said he wanted to. White communities suffer huge losses from Black crime. Sooner or later, we whites are going to have to take a stand, and say we aint taking this any more. 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. A newsletter showcasing the finest writing from the ideas section, covering political ideas, philosophy, criticism and intellectual history - sent every Wednesday. But it is also likely that disease played a role. Welsh slave-raids into England continued until early Norman times. When I met her, ~1995, I started asking her questions about the war, as I thought she was a fabulous resource of information. As would Beyonce. The Russians do not have these problems because they are not ashamed. If you are wracked with guilt, ashamed of your forebears, do it! Societies have what morals suit them. There is an alternative argument that it is their ancestors who were wronged hence deserve compensation and as descendants theyre entitled to an inherited share (so their portion depends on how many slaves at what position in the family tree) plus interest, regardless of how well theyre doing now. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. Read about our approach to external linking. David Olusoga meets Janice Haber and her family, the descendents of Jewish . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestmannaeyjar, Slavery in England definitely continued for a couple of generations after the Norman Conquest and Bristol was a major export centre, though there were attempts to ban the export trade in particular (https://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds has some interesting quotes from the time). See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. Video, 00:02:30. Whoever has the upper-hand in power political, cultural, economic, military or whatever other form is decisive at that moment. "The way history is viewed is changing. The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". That is not true. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. Two men managed to escape and were rescued, but not before my great, great, grandfather was beaten, starved and worked to death, his body thrown into the jungle for the animals and insects to dispose of. Get back to us when your sin/privilege is expunged. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. I suspect that whether records could prove it or not, its overwhelmingly likely to be true, especially since high-status individuals tend to make a bigger contribution to the gene pool. And so many hundreds of thousands of British workers were directly dependent on slavery (from sailors to those who built, rigged and repaired ships) that it was easy to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. Although the bottom line is that no Black person remembers slavery. Roman writers such as Pliny who chronicled or rather fabricated African life shaped perceptions of a continent populated by anthropophagi and other fantastic creatures, half-human, half-animal. Oh man. Video1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat, How 10% of Nigerian registered voters delivered victory, Sake brewers toast big rise in global sales, The Indian-American CEO who wants to be US president, Blackpink lead top stars back on the road in Asia, Exploring the rigging claims in Nigeria's elections, 'Wales is in England' gaffe sparks TikToker's trip. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. Societies have had a long history of treating minorities harshly. people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". If someone from Portugal or France wants to explain why their country has done a better job of getting the balance right, Im open to hearing it. It is a good deed that must not go unpunished. Very little sugar on the mainland. What do you think their stongest argument is? They are stupid false for America. "They were barely known even to historians. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. The enslaved Africans had to wait another five years for their freedom and were not given a penny. 5 quotes from David Olusoga: 'On a peninsula protruding into one of the great highways of the Atlantic slave trade, a few hundred refugees from British slavery in North America were attempting to recreate the social structures of Northern Europe in the Middle Ages.', 'Time and again events and phenomena that we think we know and understand contain within them lost or camouflaged connections to . Your email address will not be published. Just how much should Olusoga receive? Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . West Indians fought with the Allies more than a hundred were decorated. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. In the UK its not white people enslaving blacks anymore, but Asians enslaving other Asians, as in Leicesters clothing sweatshops. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. Prof Darity and Ms Mullen outline that to eliminate the existing Black-White wealth gap an allocation of between $10 trillion and $12 trillion, or about $800,000 per black household, should be paid. When Olusoga recalled the experience before television cameras last year, he wept. So he calls himself a Geordie. I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. Rather that certain western states, still in existence therefore potentially still liable, regulated and indeed encouraged the development of both the transatlantic slave trade and the slave-labour economic systems of the colonies, at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. No member of my family ever owned slaves. Sugar plantations were bad. He seems to be an interesting social historian and his TV series on the occupants of a single house over the centuries is very good, although I suspect a lot of the research is done by others, I look forward to an even handed expose of the entire slave trade from birth to capture, imprisonment, sale, transportation, arrival, sale, treatment and life while enslaved as well as the UKs role in stopping it, But it wont be on the BBC, and he wont be writing it I fear, @smfs He was Chairman of Moneysupermarket Group from 2014 to 2019 and Senior Independent Director of Close Brothers Group plc from 2006 to 2014 and is a Past President of the Chartered Management Institute. The Celtic version of slavery (which ran to quite a different model) was still going on in the places the Romans didnt reach. I personally dont find that as convincing as the case that slaves themselves deserved compensation, and while there were strong political and practical reasons owners were compensated upon abolition but not their former slaves, it doesnt leave a great moral taste in the mouth that twas so. Olusoga is of half Nigerian descent. David then moved with his mother and three siblings in the north-east of the UK. Olusoga, who is half-Nigerian, traces this focus to his mother telling him when he was a child that Nigerian soldiers served in World War II. We are told that an estimated 12.5 million slaves were shipped from Africa to the West Indies and elsewhere in the 18th century. Should black history be taught all year round? I still find arguing the toss, or watching others doing so, interesting partly because it shows how the viewpoints are divergent, how many arguments are self-interested, what social, cultural and economic forces are at work behind it all. This is indeed tu quoque. The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. It was, I believe, the first book I ever bought for myself with my own money. That assumes an increase in demand. It was far too real to her. If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? I assume these were usually killed before Europeans turned up and bought them. You can be redeemed, you worthless pasty people. My great, great, grandfather was one. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, 30,000 Jewish migrants from Russia and Eastern Europe settled in Manchester. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. Over 1000 years in Britain. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". Theres probably more mileage in my country, or at least its historical incarnation, fought against it because unlike the actual people involved, the state is still around. It may have made sense for the SS to starve labourers to death. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser. (Im just presenting the case here in reality there are obviously some big questions about the logic of Nuremberg etc, just as there are questions about how judges in Common Law occasionally summon up things as if they had always and forever been a part of the Law, albeit previously unrecorded, rather than something the judge just made up.). I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either., Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong.. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. Macmillan, 624pp, 25, David Dabydeen is a novelist, broadcaster, academic and co-editor of The Oxford Companion to Black British History (Oxford University Press), This article appears in the 16 Aug 2017 issue of the New Statesman, Trump goes nuclear, Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics. Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. One sporting event that has captured your imagination I was fortunate enough to get tickets to see some of the basketball at the London 2012 Olympics, so my brother and I went to watch the GB vs. Spain game. We pretend we do not like slavery but actually we do not like slave traders. They included Josiah Wedgwood (the pottery entrepreneur), Granville Sharp and Thomas Clarkson. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. Required fields are marked *. . The exception is Tim Worstall, who is truly the Ron Jeremy of blogging. Because it isnt about who you are, its about who your ancestors were. In the 15th and 16th centuries, thousands of pounds of gold were shipped to Europe. Thankfully the Woke have gifted us an all purpos3e response to this sort of crap. Not many remember anything about segregation either. No one has said we should not consider someone elses viewpoint. * the legal institution and pretty much the practice The thing we British are ancestrally responsible for is beginning and continuing to pursue the extinction of the sordid business of slavery. Not sure how sick this makes me. Sign up to receive information regarding NS events, subscription offers & product updates. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. Read about our approach to external linking. David Olusoga But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser.. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . So he calls himself a Geordie. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. In the USA? One of his teachers had a coffee mug bearing a National Front slogan and another attacked him during a school trip, he said. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. Slavery is bad or it isnt. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion? Do I feel like I had anything to do it? I imagine few do. Not good. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. Then the second. Nobody will stop you, honest. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. His current research focuses on stress, burnout, and wellbeing in sports, with a particular interest in high-performance environments and elite coaching. Why are these characterizations needed? And the fact youre moved to tears by discovering for the first time a great-great-great-grandmother of yours was a prostitute single-mum with seven kids or a great-x5-uncle you had never heard of was imprisoned for murder, well, your utter lack of knowledge simply reveals how little youve been influenced by them, so youre hardly discovering a new facet of yourself at all. It can be withdrawn. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. The following decades were taken up with popular and political rhetoric about immigration and parliamentary acts to limit blacks coming to Britain. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. Note, hes a renowned economist. My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. Not to say it was nice.. Or they may discover how little black lives do matter. It happened. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. This is nothing to do with slavery or as with black lives matter, blacks being shot, and everything to do with a shakedown of the white man. There is no reason to think that slavery was nicer in Africa. arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers.. (If the likes of SMFS believe Western society will fall apart without a return to traditional Christian-inspired values, I suggest they either don a pessimists crash-helmet or just cling on and enjoy the ride to Hell in their top-gear handcart. She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. To me personally, this is the thing. It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. Tull played professional football for Northampton but instead of signing up for Glasgow Rangers, he enlisted. Hes welcome to pursue his line of thought but he should bear in mind that tolerance is, by its nature, in the gift of the powerful. Peter Olusoga. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? That was when the Democrats were still Americans. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. You lost those two. They have a game plan & youre falling for it. While I dont think they persuaded anyone, they did shift perspectives a bit. The South Sea bubble, the greatest financial crash of the 18th century, was intimately connected to Britains dealings with Africa, though this is rarely acknowledged by historians. If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? Olusogas stated purpose is to argue that black British history is not about migration and settlement, whether of black servants in the 18th century or black workers in the Windrush era. Wrong ?!?! Id say the same to the Black Lives Matter people. Long after slavery ended in the British colonies, British people continued to lobby the American government to free their slaves. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. 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